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[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 58 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well now I'm confused, because there's a post from today about how Israel is not sending a delegation to Egypt for ceasefire/hostage talks according to CNN. Here's the direct link to the article, which states:

  • "Israel is not sending a delegation to Cairo for talks on a deal for a ceasefire and release of hostages from Gaza, an Israeli official told CNN Sunday."
  • "Another diplomatic source played down the prospects of an imminent deal, saying progress was slow and it was unlikely there would be a breakthrough within the next 48 hours."
[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago

The article immediately clarified Israel hasn't agreed to anything.

Biden keeps saying a ceasefire is about to happen, despite no signs it will

So his administration keeps releasing these unsourced reasons that it total is happening, despite no signs it is.

[-] BarbecueCowboy@kbin.social 2 points 2 months ago

The official said the reason was that Hamas had not responded to two Israeli demands: a list of hostages specifying which are alive and which are dead; and confirmation of the ratio of Palestinian prisoners to be released from Israeli prisons in exchange for hostages.

This is in theory what we're waiting on. That sounds reasonable at first glance, but we do have to remember that we are only hearing from one side.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 2 months ago

He said Israel had “basically” accepted the deal, but did not specify whether it still had reservations or what those were.

So its still just lip service?

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Well sort of. I think what means is that they got all the nods, but no signature on the paper.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Biden and Hamas leaders said the aid convoy deaths could complicate negotiations for a ceasefire and hostage release deal. But Egyptian security sources said the incident had pushed both sides to intensify their efforts, in order to preserve progress made so far, Reuters reported.

Seems like the IDF firing into the crowds of starving refugees, causing crowd crush and killing over a 100 people and wounding 800+ was a really bad look, so Israel is onboard instead of threatening a Rafah ground assault.

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[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hamas has repeatedly rejected any kind of temporary ceasefire. I can't see why this would be any different.

Was Hamas even involved in the drafting of this deal or did the US and Israel just throw this together to paint Hamas as unreasonable when they reject it again? None of the articles I've read have made any effort to clarify who drew this up beyond vaguely gesturing at Israel, US, and Egypt.

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

I don't know why you're being downvoted. I don't know what the terms of this one are, but past cease fires have basically required Hamas to surrender. Giving up their only leverage, hostages, and allowing IDF to strictly control everyone and everything going in and out of Gaza, free to shut off power and water as they feel, and block aid.

[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 months ago

Not to mention Israel doesn't exactly have a stellar record when it comes to respecting ceasefires.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

As best as I can find this is basically a deal that gives Israel it's biggest ask in exchange for maybe not bombing during Ramadan. So yeah something they cooked up to make Hamas look unreasonable.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Israel has repeatedly rejected any kind of permanent ceasefire

[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah, which is why this shit is still going on. Hamas would be extremely naive to think a temporary ceasefire is anything more than a promise to start bombing again later after they've refreshed their troops and stockpiled more weapons.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Thank you for your list! I saw this recently and forgot to save it. Glad you're on it.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Hamas has repeatedly rejected any kind of temporary ceasefire.

Palestinian officials have advocated for a permanent ceasefire, with the expectation that any concessions they extract from the Israelis will be forfeit as soon as a temporary ceasefire closes.

Was Hamas even involved in the drafting of this deal

Right now, the primary advocates on behalf of the Palestinians are Qatari and Egyptian officials with sympathies toward their Arab neighbors. Any actual members of Hamas have been playing cat-and-mouse with Israeli assassins, which has in turn made the Israeli demands for a proper accounting of hostages very difficult.

After all, if you clearly state how many hostages survived the carpet-bombing of Northern Gaza, the Israelis can use that figure to coordinate their strikes in and around the southern end.

[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Egypt is essentially preparing a concentration camp in Sinai to house refugees from a seemingly inevitable Rafah campaign. I have some doubts about how well they're advocating for Palestine's interests.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Subtitle:

White House officials claim provisional agreement is on the table as scale of starvation crisis revealed

So it's a US official anonymously saying that an offer is on the table...

Like every other post OP has made on the subject, the headline isn't factual and immediately clarified in the article.

If Israel was going to agree to it, they'd sign it

But they won't, so they don't.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

For those repeatedly reporting this:

"Talks took place in Doha, the Qatari capital, on Saturday and were expected to move to Cairo on Sunday as the scale of looming starvation pushed the US to start air-dropping food into the enclave."

The Israeli agreement apparently happened in Doha, but won't be official until they sign the agreement in Cairo... where they may not actually show up.

It's passed Sunday into Monday, so we'll see where it goes, but I'm frankly not optimistic.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Its curious to see how the media narrative has turned in the wake of some of these primary votes. Biden's gone from "Israel can do no wrong" to "We're doing everything we can (short of denying them more weapons and diplomatic cover at the UN) to stop these atrocities".

I have to wonder what happens as we close in on the general election and Trump goes all in on being pro-Palestinian genocide. Do the Democrats rediscover their love of human rights and rules based international order? Or do they all double back and try to out-compete the Republicans on the "We Love Israel" front?

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Generally, it's pro-Israel all the way down because of donations. That's really all they care about.

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[-] snooggums@midwest.social 9 points 2 months ago

Oh yay, a possible 6 weeks of just a little genocide instead of full on genocide!

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

that's all aaron bushnell right there. most noble american act of the 20th century

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