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JBP has got u bro (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/memes@lemmy.ml

Need a plate of generic, insipid platitudes with a giant helping of bad science and misogyny?

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[-] skyler@lemmy.world 142 points 7 months ago

One of my favorite examples of Jordan Peterson stupidity is when he was lecturing about some ancient civilization artwork that showed two serpent creatures creating humanity. He said that because the snakes were drawn in a double helix that this ancient civilization knew about and wanted to represent DNA.

Snakes coil around one another in a double helix when they mate. The snake creatures in the art were just fucking.

Source is at 1:15:39 in this vid: https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo?si=MPWip62wkrMX_bP7

[-] HipHoboHarold@lemmy.world 45 points 7 months ago

Stuff like this is why I will never understand people following him. Like, I get it. It's the bigotry. And when it comes to that, nothing else matters. I understand it on paper.

But at the same time... why? When he's constantly wrong, or when they have to constantly lie about the things he says, why keep listening to him? Why are they like this?

[-] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Because he 'sounds' smart, so they latch on to that as their plausible legitimacy as to why what he says must be true.

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[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

Don't forget the time he wanted to quit benzos to show how masculine he was. His doctors wanted to taper him down so his brain didn't fry (benzo addiction alters brain chemistry and withdrawal can seriously screw you up or kill you if you stop), but trying to taper off over several years wasn't manly and powerful. So he flew to Russia and got a few potentially sketchy doctors to put him in a medical coma for a month, and that's part of why he's so fucked up now.

Oh, or the part where his daughter convinced him to only ever eat red meat, and literally nothing else.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 25 points 7 months ago

I can only assume he played a bit too much Assassin's Creed before coming up with that one.

[-] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 17 points 7 months ago
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 14 points 7 months ago

I just want to note that Dawkins has almost certainly taken LSD.

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[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 102 points 7 months ago

Is he the guy that went to Russia for coma treatment?

[-] Ukuli@sopuli.xyz 74 points 7 months ago
[-] WilloftheWest@feddit.uk 87 points 7 months ago

"Depression is a myth; tidy your room. Also, I've been clinically depressed for my whole adult life and I shamble from one crisis to another."

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[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 21 points 7 months ago

And then he had to do physical therapy afterwards for months to recover from the medically induced coma that only Russia allows since the rest of the world doesn’t allow the procedure since it isn’t backed by any science.

That guy.

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 85 points 7 months ago

I see a lot of people here talking about how unpersuasive his arguments are. So I think this misses the real issue at hand. Countless young men do find him persuasive. They feel abandoned by everyone else and there is this man who comes along and convinces them he knows "the way". Talking about how "unconvincing" his arguments are won't stop this from happening. If anything it will impower in-group type thinking. It's much more important that we tackle these problems at their source: combat the emotional abandonment of young men

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 7 months ago

It's a lot like how people wonder how others fall for scam calls and emails when they look and sound so obviously like bullshit, you're not the target audience if you see through it.

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[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

goes out to adopt 1,000 young men

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[-] Arcity@feddit.nl 73 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Mom: clean your room

Teen: shut up femoid!

JP: you need to clean your room to slay the dragon of chaos

Teen: OMG so true!

[-] MediumRareChicken@lemmy.ml 72 points 7 months ago

I used to like him. I fell for the crap. To my 16 year old brain what he said made a lot of sense. He had a handful of good points, and it made me believe the rest of the shit he peddled.

I see him now, I look back on how I hung onto his words like a lost lamb, and I can only facepalm.

I realised that the only thing he is good at is marketing, not psychology...

[-] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago

Being 16 is the best excuse you could have for believing anything that cretin says. You're good bro.

[-] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

He has some good advice (and some batshit crazy certainly), but not anything stoics weren't saying 2300 years ago. And he sprinkles on top of that a weird religious-adjacent theories that are perhaps due to his psychedelic use. People seem to confuse that rambling with wisdom, like they usually do with cult leaders.

Still, I think it's quite probable that he was a fine psychologist and was completely capable of helping individuals in whatever their struggles were. It's his moving to a youtube stardom that caused all the problems.

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[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

It's understandable - back in the day, he had some reasonable points and an academic veneer. If course, what he was saying tended to have a strong bias, and didn't stand up to scrutiny, but it's hard to fault a 16 year old looking for guidance for falling for it. Hindsight is 20 20 - particularly when the negative tendencies ratcheted up rapidly over time.

Since his Russian benzo coma (remember, kids - clean your room and don't criticise others or systemic issues unless your life is perfect... pay no attention to my crippling addiction as I peddle that advice), things took a hard turn. I honestly think he suffered non-trivial brain damage. He's far more erratic, bursts into tears at the drop of a hat (while trying to sell "traditional" masculinity, his takes have lost their academic veneer and are self-evidently stupid. There's a reason he may be stripped of his accreditation.

TL;DR: Peterson went from being a pseudo-intellectual preacher to a lolcow, and (to me) the benzo coma seems to have been the catalyst for that shift.

[-] MediumRareChicken@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 months ago

I didn't know about the benzo thing. And that was the advice from him I appreciated; the clean your room, etc.

I didn't realise he was a walking blackout the entire time.

And I think his as following grew, so did his ego, and he began to think he knew way more than he actually did.

Ah well. An oversized ego is as bad as a termite infestation - if you let it grow it'll eventually make things collapse...

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 19 points 7 months ago

I'm still pissed that because he badly quotes and misinterprets Jung all the time, people assume Jung is bullshit by association.

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[-] spez@sh.itjust.works 67 points 7 months ago

It's the worst kind of job. Taking advantage of developing teens and their self-issues to make money like that.

[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago

How did you steal my alt account? I thought I was the only dipshit on here.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 52 points 7 months ago

Never take advice on personal responsibility from a guy who intentionally put himself in a coma to avoid taking responsibility for his addiction to a narcotic with zero medicinal properties.

[-] Foofighter@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 7 months ago

It's so weird for me that he seemed surprised that benzos are, in fact, highly addictive with severe withdraw symptoms. Isn't he a psychologist and potentially someone who is allowed to prescribe such drugs?

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[-] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago

He is such a disappointment to me. Early Peterson was just a clinical psychologist who actually gave a shit about men’s mental health. You could filter out his religion and actually get something out of it. Then he turned into… something else.

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[-] frankfurt_schoolgirl@hexbear.net 42 points 7 months ago

Most of his fans have never really read his more academic works (like the one with the grandma sex dream). So, I guess they like his vibe. But his vibe is weepy alcoholic. What's so great about that?

[-] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 7 months ago

Most of his fans have never really read ~~his more academic works (like the one with the grandma sex dream). So, I guess they like his vibe. But his vibe is weepy alcoholic. What's so great about that~~?

[-] TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 7 months ago

I recently had a fairly high fever and became pretty emotional over absolutely mundane shit. JBP talks and acts like has a brain damaging fever every day of his life.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago

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How he's started

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[-] Nobsi@feddit.de 41 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Oh god, this is so embarassing for us as a society. Young men look for guidance, and all they find is Rape Tate who tells you to be an alpha male by just being obnoxiously "superior" to others.
John Peanutbutter who tells you to be an alpha male but with science in your brain
fresh and fit who tell you to be alpha males but by figuratively just shaming women
and on the opposite side you have nothing for a while and then you have destiny and hasan who try to make you debate like highschoolers.

Is the world just full of grifters now?

[-] TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 months ago

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: yyyyeeeeeeessssssss

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[-] Alteon@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago

He's so smart and articulate! Yeah, if you ate lead paint chips as a kid, or decided that huffing glue as a past time was a great idea.

Why is it that the cringiest fucking weebs like this guy? Does the suit give him some sort of weird dominion over them? These losers should be case and fucking point as to why you need Critical Thinking classes in schools....and it should also fucking highlight why Republicans are desperately trying to make public schools systematically dumber. A generation of highly educated people is detrimental to the conservative ideology (unless your making literally millions of $$$).

[-] thehatfox@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

A lack of visible positive role models is a big part of it. When nobody else wants to engage with isolated and directionless young white men, people like Peterson will fill the vacuum. Couple that with amoral algorithms of social media generating engagement at any cost, and they soon have an audience.

Ensuring everyone has opportunities and and a sense of inclusion would go a lot further than just trying to teach everyone to recognise false shepherds. That's just treating the symptom and not the cause, and would likely end up with them falling prey to another wolf with a better sheepskin.

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[-] M68040@hexbear.net 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I hate it when people bitch about the left "not having gurus to help lost young people" or whatever when the right's so-called gurus are worthless sacks of skin like Peterson. Also I'm here because I - in very emphatic terms - do not want a guru.

[-] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 27 points 7 months ago

it's really annoying because personal growth is not even remotely relevant to politics. The left can't "make you a man" because that's something you do on your own. It implies a specific set of ideas about maturity, relationships, and various other things which are your own problem. The right wants to fit you into the hierarchy, so they'll make you a certain thing to fit. We don't, so it's your job to figure out if you want to be a man or a woman or something else, and what it means to reach that. We don't give leftist dating advice because it doesn't make sense, we're not writing a script for you to follow. Just respect potential partners and maybe one will become a partner you respect. Whether you start a family or find someone isn't our political project because we don't want to make you pump out kids for the factories that obey authority.

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[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 27 points 7 months ago

"Lifestyle coaches" are almost entirely facets of reactionary cryptofascist bullshit, and that sucks.

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[-] amelia@feddit.de 24 points 7 months ago

I would have appreciated if the bottom right panel said "Hold my benzos" instead.

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

I'd probably say Andrew Tate is closer to that.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 21 points 7 months ago

I just want to say that if you are/were a young man, and found some value in some of what this guy was saying to you...thats's OK. Don't feel bad, or embarrassed or mad at yourself or whatever. We are all learning all the time, and doubly so when we're young. Never think that you can't take what is useful and reject what isn't. Fuck knows there is plenty to reject about what this dude says!

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[-] poeticstuff@lemm.ee 19 points 7 months ago

This kind of post is what I was hoping to leave behind with Reddit.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 7 months ago

Haven't heard about him in ages. I just assumed Joe Rogan had nicked his audience.

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[-] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 17 points 7 months ago

I can help you as well. Just turn to Hedonism, which is pretty much the opposite of what Jelly B Peanutbutter tells you to do.
Quit your job, become an artist. Heck, become a twitch streamer, I don't care. Try to do what brings you joy. And remember to eat the rich.

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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago

I get that Gus Fring look every time I hear "Hey, have you heard of Jordan Petersen? Let me show you one of his videos"

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